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yeah about those snipers.. - Guest - 02-17-2004
i think that u should ban all sniper weapons from server...
especially from pornstar, we banned the awp b4, and now he uses auto, like can't ppl use real guns?
i think its the smart thing to do
yeah about those snipers.. - Guest - 02-17-2004
There's always going to be someone who is good with a weapon, whether it's AK, M4, or one of the scoped rifles. Sometimes there is an imbalance... when there's one person sniping, it's not too bad as you at least have a chance.
I can understand your frustration when several good snipers were on the opposition team, and at least one was picking the AWP all the time. That was restricted, it did stop (as you said above he went to the AutoSniper). With the other weapons there's still more of a chance of survival... a hit in the leg isn't fatal from AutoSniper but most likely will be from an AWP.
yeah about those snipers.. - [CAKE]anonymity - 02-17-2004
The awp does take skill, as well as the auto snipers. You can buy flashbangs or HE grenades and use those. I am not heavy on the snipers, but they are a part of the game.
yeah about those snipers.. - Guest - 02-17-2004
Anon, there are some parts with awp that needs skill, but pornstar said he just started to use awps, and all he needs to do is aim with the scope and shoot, its not that hard, and the autos, they also can have skill, i see many skilled people use autos without scope, but porn will use any scope possible and just camp and just wait for someone just to talk across the crosshair and boom! so some ppl are skilled and some ppl just piss u off...
but most ppl do think pornstar is a little to obssessed with snipers, and all he does is find somewhere to stay (ex: de_train, up on the roof place.. or cs_militia on the roof) and sit and wait for someone to walking into his scoping area... thats not skilled... and hes the only one who uses it constintly, some ppl mite use it once in a while...
if no ban, then atleast have a rule that says: only the loosing team can use awps... then its fair
yeah about those snipers.. - Wha? - 02-17-2004
Why not take an alternate route? CS isn't supposed to be Quake, it was designed to involve strategy (albeit somewhat poorly implemented) beyond when to rocket jump and which weapon switch alias to use next. If there's a sniper somewhere, they can't see all of the map, so backtrack and get at them from behind, distract them, blind them, etc. There are a large number of options, and if you can't be bothered to explore them (especially when you know it's going to be needed), you can't expect rules on weapon use.
I do agree with scoped weapon restrictions for low player counts on most maps, but that should be decided on mutually by the players present.
yeah about those snipers.. - kermit - 02-18-2004
i'm with wha on this one. if you keep getting sniped every round, then that's on you. i would like to see more creativity, teamwork and strategic thinking on vad's but that's just me...most of you probably just want to shoot shit. people get pissed because they attack the compound on militia dead on and get picked off as they go running out into the open every round. well, there is a tunnel dude. get some nightvision goggles and a colt and get to work.
it does suck when you can only afford a deagle and some kevlar and the other team all has sniper rifles though because then it often becomes a bullying session...but that may be the time to think and cook up a good scheme ...and if you can win that one round, then that's more satisfying than easily winning 100 rounds in a row...besides if your team put themselves in that position in the first place, maybe you guys deserve to get brutaly pounded for a while...it's good for you. everytime sombody has a bit of luck with an awp, the calls go out to 'ban the awp'.
i would love to organize a clan match between cDh and some cpl guys. we would see some brutal, brutal, brutal no mercy shit but at the end of it all, we would be much better than when we went in. of course, if we just want vad's to be a 'fun' server, then maybe it is better to simply ban the awp and autosnipers. it would keep the leetsters out and could be more noob-friendly but there would still be balancing issues....there always will.
yeah about those snipers.. - FreeFall - 02-18-2004
Wha?,Feb 17 2004, 07:35 PM Wrote:Why not take an alternate route? CS isn't supposed to be Quake, it was designed to involve strategy (albeit somewhat poorly implemented) beyond when to rocket jump and which weapon switch alias to use next. If there's a sniper somewhere, they can't see all of the map, so backtrack and get at them from behind, distract them, blind them, etc. There are a large number of options, and if you can't be bothered to explore them (especially when you know it's going to be needed), you can't expect rules on weapon use.everything has weeknesses and strengths. . .scopes have a limited line of sight (no peripheral vision) ya some of the guns are pretty cheap to use. . but if they won enough to make that money then they deserve it. . .
Wha? has a point. . .strategize and just kill the guy, hell I've done it before by just running zig-zag at a sniper with an M4. . .
We all get pissed off when someone just keeps on doing the same old thing. . but if you deal with it and find away around it A ) It's more satisfying once you finally kill the bastard! hehe and B ) You'll improve the more you try (yes it's the old cliche "practice makes perfect").
yeah about those snipers.. - RushJet1 - 02-18-2004
I think the autosniper is cheaper than the AWP- with AWP if two people rush the person HEAD ON even, only one of them will die (unless they're both idiots). With autosnipe you can shoot very quickly with good accuracy.
I think there is some skill in using the AWP, but not nearly as much as, say, the elites:)MUAHAHAHA!!
yeah about those snipers.. - Guest - 02-18-2004
Comeon peeps....leave the game the way it is suppose to be. If you get killed by an AWP a couple of times...GO A DIFFERENT WAY!! The scoped weapons DO have limitations and can get you killed very easily using them.
What is see is the key statement translated: "please remove the weapons that get me killed". which is not fair to other people. OK...so you ban all scoped weapons....what's next? Ban the flashbang? Well...it get's me killed more than someone sniping me...but it's part of the game.
If someone is constantly killing me with the awp...i go out of my way to find him/her next round and eliminate that person.
Don't make such a big deal about it. You remove it and you are not being fair to the people who actually enjoy it over regular weapons they can't fire as well.
The long rifle has ALWAYS been a part of any CT group as it should be in this game.
yeah about those snipers.. - [CAKE]anonymity - 02-18-2004
I was using the auto sniper in dust and I was camping the tunnel. I camped in the same spot every round. I could see the two entrences near the bombsite A and the enterance towards bombsite B and the CT spawn. The entrence to the bridge I couldnt see, and they could have easily gone that route, they never killed me once or twice in quite a few rounds. I was begged to stop. I eventually stopped because we had got another talanted player on our team, and me sniping caused the teams to become too stacked. So i stopped. Sometimes sniping makes the teams fair. My team was getting wrecked untill I saved up for that sniper.
If your ct and its a T thats sniping you could always use shields.
yeah about those snipers.. - Guest - 02-18-2004
GOOD POINT ANON. I will buy the awp on pub servers all the time. Vads is a little different and the majority of
us who play there are friends and know each other. If i see a stackage commensing...then i WONT buy the awp. If the server gets totally full and my team needs some help....it's fair game and i buy it. That is the good thing about this server, we usually work well together to make it fun and have no problems. It is usually the people we don't know who cause the grief.
I think we as a group can manage the use of which weapon diplomatically in the game without putting any hardcoded restrictions in the configs.
yeah about those snipers.. - g-boy - 02-18-2004
As much as a loathe sniper rifles, I agree they are part of the game. I PERSONALLY find it a very boring way to play, I prefer more action... leave the sniping and holding positions for DoD... but there are ways to deal. And, if guns were banned for people being good with them, then lots of weapons would get banned. Some people are sickeningly awesome with the deagle and AK, because they are quite powerful. AK is a 2-3 shot kill weapon if in the right spots, one shot to the head. It's my favorite weapon and it's pretty much as good as an auto sniper rifle if you know how to use it, plus it's just as good if not better than the colt in close range. I am pretty good with it, though I used to be better before I took my 6 month leave from CS. I got accused of cheating because I'd get long range headshots, but that's what I go for and the AK seems drawn to the head.
And grenades are quite fun:D
yeah about those snipers.. - fritoman - 02-19-2004
I am not good at any gun and when I die it is BS and anyone who kills me is a hacker, so bearing that in mind I dont think we should outlaw anything but if it is being abused we should take corrective action.
yeah about those snipers.. - Gwarsbane - 02-19-2004
I'm not a big fan of the AWP mainly because almost no matter where you hit, it kills. At least with the autosnipe, it won't ways kill first shot to the body, you need a head shot.
The shield need someone using it that knows what they are doing. I have taken the shield a few times and have died with it every time.
I have restricted the AWP a few times while playing because one people just seemed to be too good with it. I kept seeing a person getting head shots with it or at the very least 3 or 4 kills in a row and all of them were one shot kills.