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Job Growth is on the rise. - PIX - 04-01-2004 For those of you who in the US who continue to use the recession crutch as a pulput against President Bush, the Job Report will come out tomorrow for this quarter and might deal a blow to the same ol story about 'ALL these people out of work'. The following text was acquired today from FTN Financial and gives some insight to the current market and some things going on. I am also posting a trend graph for the last 20 years. The job market is getting better and is in a factual upswing and has been for 2 years. Quote:THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT TOMORROWâS JOBS REPORT Job Growth is on the rise. - [CAKE]anonymity - 04-02-2004 Looks to me like its got a long way to go, but up is deffinatley better then down. Job Growth is on the rise. - PIX - 04-02-2004 yup....upswing in the process. Here's the article today at cnn money. Quote:U.S. job growth soars Job Growth is on the rise. - Wha? - 04-02-2004 The inflation isn't imaginary, Bush is spending money that doesn't exist. Not much, but enough to drive the US dollar down. It isn't apparent because currencies are measured agaisnt the US dollar, meaning they see their currency increase in value, and assume something is happening to them. I don't know how long that spending will last, but it's sure making the EU happy: as soon as Bush got in office, the Euro began climbing. Just for perspective, in June, it was 80 cents US to the Euro or so, and now it's around $1.20. All because of the US dollar plunge. It may turn around yet, but issues like that don't seem to be of a very high priority with post-war Iraq going sour. Time will tell I suppose. Job Growth is on the rise. - g-boy - 04-02-2004 Ah... although Bush has not given realistic deadlines and budget to NASA for the want to push space exploration, realize that this should actually help the economy more than anything else you could debate here. Like it or not, inflation happens, and it always will. The Apollo missions drove increases in technology creation, especially in terms of computing... the robotics and computing power necessary for future missions, as well as finding materials that are resistant enough to create a base on the Moon OR Mars will vastly improve practical technology back here on Earth. The positives on economy will be enormous. Then again, this time we're not the only ones who could do it, as Europe has aspirations to put people on Mars by 2033 and China is the new Russia to compete with (though they are very far behind the US and Europe, they are actually concentrating on it while we sit around like losers and say "let's fix the Earth instead of leaving it! it's too expensive!"). This last statement is off topic, but I wish people would finally be honest with themselves and realize that we need to leave this planet, we will overpopulate and use up all resources, we need other places... and trying to fix it now will do nothing unless you restrict population growth somehow and tell everyone to stop drinking water, using fossil fuels, and stop using pollutant technology (which is a necessity for how advanced we are). Then again, even all of that will do nothing to reverse the problems, just slow the inevitable. Bush is not just some fool wanting to boost popularity (although that's no doubt a part of it)... he's on the right track, as misaligned his views of how to go about it are. Anyway, no need to respond to that stuff unless you want a new topic, just pointing it out and not to forget there are other factors to economy than recessions and inflations and deflations and currency values and so forth. Job Growth is on the rise. - jabbahunt - 04-02-2004 By your chart, it looks as tho job growth was falling towards the end of every presidency then pick up in middle then dropped again. Wonder if elections bring about uncertainty Job Growth is on the rise. - PIX - 04-02-2004 It might now seem like an important issue but if you listen to every sound bite from Kerry...its about the poor job market. Today, he was a bit choked up in an interview about the job report and i KNOW it's killing him to see jobs increasing. Notice the sharp climb of the upward trend around the DOT COM boom. Very interesting to see how technology soared during those years. Notice the steep downward slope right after 9/11 also. With the transportation industry in shambles and the markets predicting slumps at that time...it's interesting to see the fallout. Anon...if you were to extend the graph to the left for many more decades...you would see the upswing and downswing trends as they went though regular cycles. The govenment isn't spending any more money now then they have in the past. It's just not taxing the people as much to cover the use. Now we have 2 choices: cut spending or give the govenment back more of our working money. I know MY choice in this matter. I like keeping more of my money with each paycheck each week. I can buy more things and put more money back into the economy. We could cut spending but that would have to be across the board. That includes subsidies for welfare, medicare, public housing..etc. They won't have any of that. They do spend an extravagant amount of money on space exploration. I personally don't care if they find water on Mars or get us better pictures of the rings of Saturn. I don't believe in extraterrestial life so they can stop sending out billion dollar calling cards. I wouldn't mind them giving the money from a sattelite program to rehab programs or homeless shelters...people who truly need the money. Job Growth is on the rise. - g-boy - 04-03-2004 Just because you don't believe in extraterrestrial life (religious view I presume) doesn't mean it isn't out there. But that's not even the point... doesn't seem NASA is really looking for life (they cut funding to SETI so now it's private) and they care more about terraforming than searching for life. You may have the same view as my Republican friend who thinks the future (that is, after he is dead) is not worth doing anything for, and is more worried about things that happen in his lifetime. By the way, I don't mean it as a facetious remark that I presume it's a religious view. I just mean that if you look at it from a straight logical standpoint, it's close to impossible that we're the only planet with life. There are more and more other solar systems with planets being discovered every year... little water, little carbon, little oxygen, boom, you got life. But obviously I realize that some religious people feel that life was created on Earth and Earth alone, humans modeled after God, Adam and Eve, etc.... and I can respect that if you believe it. But scientifically it don't work that way. I'll say it again though... PIX, the computer is a decent part of your life, as it is many people on this forum... think they'd be as advanced and as prevalent without the technology created for space exploration? Job Growth is on the rise. - [CAKE]anonymity - 04-03-2004 I never actually thought about the technoligical push that NASA causes. I also attribute vidoe games to that as well. I belive gaming is bigger in the dollar sense then nasa. Job Growth is on the rise. - Wha? - 04-03-2004 Not at all. Gaming doesn't require much of a forward push, whereas space tech has very specific needs that have to be met. That translates to many multi-million dollar development contracts which get bid on. Gamers only need a slight improvement every six months to be happy. IE. Who here spends more than a million dollars a year on a computer with architecture and parts that don't exist yet? The reason thinking in the here and now doesn't work is because the methods of achieving goals are chosen by the lowest bidder (best choice when there's no future to consider), and they have cutting corners down to an art. Since it costs a lot of money to campaign for, and sustain a political career, grass-roots just doesn't cut the mustard. You have to have money, and the easiest way to do that and have time for politics is to be born into it: family business already established, reputable name appended to yours, brought up with a corporate mentality. That's where the problem lies, not in party affiliations or theological standings. That 'so-what-if-60,000-people-have-to-eat-their-own-excrement-to-live-so-long-as-I-make-an-extra-buck' attitude that makes changing the public's opinion a better option than doing what they want, or military action a simple quick-fix over respecting another nation's sovereingty. Space exploration is something that takes time to pay off. Even if it will yeild things like viable alternative fuel sources, it's not going to get attention over things like finding more crude oil (dealing with OPEC is a pain) for immediate consumption. If the ultimate plan is to screw everybody's kids over, you go with the oil, since it's plentiful now and provides everyone with comfortable living. To be nice to those kids, you'd find some way to make the current living standard sustainable, or at least find enough basics out to give them a better crack at it. Unfortunately, you can't take a brighter tomorrow to the bank, so basking in today's crapulence is going to continue until the party runs out of booze and the liquor stores are closed. "We will overcome this, we always have" sounds a lot better when it's not an epitaph. ::PostScript:: Yes, this is about job growth being 0.1% higher than last year, but without saying something about how modern politicians think, it's just going to be political mad libs. _____________ was in office during a ___ percent _________ over __________. ...<president>.......................................<#>.............<rise/drop>........<time period> __________ are obviously the __________ party. Take that ____________! <political affiliation>..................<adjective>.........<derrogatory nickname for the other side> Job Growth is on the rise. - jabbahunt - 04-03-2004 I love nasa, they invented visco foam to soak the g-force on the astronauts butts, now I sell mattresses made out of the same stuff for 2000 dollars. God love America. That is technology at its finest. Job Growth is on the rise. - PIX - 04-03-2004 FOAM?? I thought they all tinkled in their suits and floated in it at take off? Job Growth is on the rise. - [CAKE]anonymity - 04-05-2004 and then there is that pen. Job Growth is on the rise. - g-boy - 04-05-2004 I love that pen! Great Seinfeld episode too. Job Growth is on the rise. - Guest - 04-12-2004 yup and they still debate about the pen in many episodes. |