https://vadavaka.com/forums/ Thu, 06 Aug 2026 05:14:31 +0000 MyBB https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=5012 Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:09:56 +0000 Wha?]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=5012 Part One
Part Two]]> Part One
Part Two]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4999 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:48:24 +0000 Wha?]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4999 this, and felt I could stir the pot a bit by linking to it.

Thoughts?]]> this, and felt I could stir the pot a bit by linking to it.

Thoughts?]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4942 Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:07:36 +0000 :/ lil face]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4942 or
is it dragon shaped marshmellows?]]> or
is it dragon shaped marshmellows?]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4928 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:23:04 +0000 VashetheR]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4928 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqjFl5pvqVw



Hehe this is the debate topic so im just bringing it up.


2 yrs ago or a year ago I said I hated ###### people. I was immature for that.

I dont like homosexuality but the bible teaches that everyone has a chance to change.

And homosexuality isn't right at all in the bible.

But the point of Jesus dying on the cross was to forgive everyone for their sins no matter how corrupt we as humans are.

I dont hate them but I would never display my children around it because I dont think it's right.

Some people in this community dont believe in the bible they believe in evolution.

It is not well PROVEN that you are born ###### naturally.

I believe you have a choice to choose. It's not something natural.

You cant reproduce being ######.

What seperates us from animals is that we have logic and they dont.

If animals know who to reproduce and choose the right gender to survive and reproduce than naturally I believe that's how it's suppose to be.





There are SOME ###### animals but how many ###### animals are there than ###### humans?




*EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT*

I FORGOT THE "G" WORD WAS PROHIBITED IN THIS FORUM. I AM VERY SORRY.

I WILL USE THE WORD HOMOSEXUAL.

I AM VERY SORRY PLEASE DONT BAN ME. I WASN'T TRYIN TO BASH ANYONE OR BE HATEFUL. PLEASE.]]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqjFl5pvqVw



Hehe this is the debate topic so im just bringing it up.


2 yrs ago or a year ago I said I hated ###### people. I was immature for that.

I dont like homosexuality but the bible teaches that everyone has a chance to change.

And homosexuality isn't right at all in the bible.

But the point of Jesus dying on the cross was to forgive everyone for their sins no matter how corrupt we as humans are.

I dont hate them but I would never display my children around it because I dont think it's right.

Some people in this community dont believe in the bible they believe in evolution.

It is not well PROVEN that you are born ###### naturally.

I believe you have a choice to choose. It's not something natural.

You cant reproduce being ######.

What seperates us from animals is that we have logic and they dont.

If animals know who to reproduce and choose the right gender to survive and reproduce than naturally I believe that's how it's suppose to be.





There are SOME ###### animals but how many ###### animals are there than ###### humans?




*EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT*

I FORGOT THE "G" WORD WAS PROHIBITED IN THIS FORUM. I AM VERY SORRY.

I WILL USE THE WORD HOMOSEXUAL.

I AM VERY SORRY PLEASE DONT BAN ME. I WASN'T TRYIN TO BASH ANYONE OR BE HATEFUL. PLEASE.]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4922 Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:23:32 +0000 VashetheR]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4922

Al gore explains this with fully detail that will have you thinking outside the box of our future.

It's a must watch movie! Help prevent global warming!]]>

Al gore explains this with fully detail that will have you thinking outside the box of our future.

It's a must watch movie! Help prevent global warming!]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4866 Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:16:10 +0000 GRITS]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4866
is this guy wrong? tell me he is please
show me where this is a good thing for the United States....

someone please find me "the other side" of this guy's rants because from his view it is really scary
Is there a 'good side' ??

Habeas corpus 1

Habeas corpus 2

Habeas corpus 3]]>
is this guy wrong? tell me he is please
show me where this is a good thing for the United States....

someone please find me "the other side" of this guy's rants because from his view it is really scary
Is there a 'good side' ??

Habeas corpus 1

Habeas corpus 2

Habeas corpus 3]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4856 Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:33:26 +0000 GRITS]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4856 Where do we draw the line? Is there danger of "terror within" if the US government (or any government) doesn't apply special tactics to stop it? How much leeway do we allow them? Is it in our best interest? Who decides what “our best interest” is? Does a ‘safe America” justify ‘any means’?

Terrorism at home is not new to most of the world, but the feelings are still in their infancy in the US.
Racial profiling is becoming ‘acceptable’ practice, two hour lines at the airport are no longer considered an inconvenience but are now just the norm.
I have accepted that things must change because ‘our world’ changed on 9/11, the feelings of safety and security skewed, but is there a program I can watch or paper I can read that can help me with the whys and the whens and the how much more? 1984 and Fahrenheit 451, fiction? Right? Why do I feel like I am in the prologue then?


As Lynne Stewart appeals her conviction as a traitor for helping her client, a convicted terrorist, (she was appointed by the court to defend) she brings up the question…..

Are Americans post 9/11 over zealous with their prosecution and accusations of terrorism? And is the government ignoring the inalienable rights of our constitution with justifications of ‘for the good of the people’.

Read the latest CNN report and dig through the archives, she was convicted in 2005.
The way they found out that she was communicating with her clients cohorts was with ‘legal’ wiretapping of client attorney conversations, those are believed to be confidential in the US, part of the constitution says you have a right to private consul but the government has the right to tape these conversations if it feels just cause to protect the people.

and then maybe watch the Lodi case on Frontline.
While I don’t feel these guys were as innocent or as guilty as some may think, the way things were handled is disturbing.

Is the word used too loosely? Is it used to get a desired reaction even if justification is questionable? Aiding and abetting? where do we draw the line?

I put this in the debate forum and tried to introduce it as neutrally as possible, which is hard, because I'm scared.
and Im not sure terrorism is what Im afraid of.]]> Where do we draw the line? Is there danger of "terror within" if the US government (or any government) doesn't apply special tactics to stop it? How much leeway do we allow them? Is it in our best interest? Who decides what “our best interest” is? Does a ‘safe America” justify ‘any means’?

Terrorism at home is not new to most of the world, but the feelings are still in their infancy in the US.
Racial profiling is becoming ‘acceptable’ practice, two hour lines at the airport are no longer considered an inconvenience but are now just the norm.
I have accepted that things must change because ‘our world’ changed on 9/11, the feelings of safety and security skewed, but is there a program I can watch or paper I can read that can help me with the whys and the whens and the how much more? 1984 and Fahrenheit 451, fiction? Right? Why do I feel like I am in the prologue then?


As Lynne Stewart appeals her conviction as a traitor for helping her client, a convicted terrorist, (she was appointed by the court to defend) she brings up the question…..

Are Americans post 9/11 over zealous with their prosecution and accusations of terrorism? And is the government ignoring the inalienable rights of our constitution with justifications of ‘for the good of the people’.

Read the latest CNN report and dig through the archives, she was convicted in 2005.
The way they found out that she was communicating with her clients cohorts was with ‘legal’ wiretapping of client attorney conversations, those are believed to be confidential in the US, part of the constitution says you have a right to private consul but the government has the right to tape these conversations if it feels just cause to protect the people.

and then maybe watch the Lodi case on Frontline.
While I don’t feel these guys were as innocent or as guilty as some may think, the way things were handled is disturbing.

Is the word used too loosely? Is it used to get a desired reaction even if justification is questionable? Aiding and abetting? where do we draw the line?

I put this in the debate forum and tried to introduce it as neutrally as possible, which is hard, because I'm scared.
and Im not sure terrorism is what Im afraid of.]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4831 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 05:26:47 +0000 Wha?]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4831 scary.]]> scary.]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4828 Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:25:45 +0000 GRITS]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4828 The respect rules are the same in the 'debate forums' dont attack people, it is a DEBATE.

I do not understand 'source'. I can visually see a difference in the type of character and landscape in HL source vs HL original....is that all there is? Pretty graphics? maybe some special sounds? What is the all powerful "source engine" and what does it do?
Hopefully there are new fixes and they are not things we have already fixed. Some of them were a lot of work the first time, I would hate to see people go through that again.


topic made.....time to discuss :hide:]]> The respect rules are the same in the 'debate forums' dont attack people, it is a DEBATE.

I do not understand 'source'. I can visually see a difference in the type of character and landscape in HL source vs HL original....is that all there is? Pretty graphics? maybe some special sounds? What is the all powerful "source engine" and what does it do?
Hopefully there are new fixes and they are not things we have already fixed. Some of them were a lot of work the first time, I would hate to see people go through that again.


topic made.....time to discuss :hide:]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4636 Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:30:21 +0000 Annatar]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4636
What exactly is it that gets you out of bed every morning, of every day, of every year?]]>
What exactly is it that gets you out of bed every morning, of every day, of every year?]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4603 Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:17:35 +0000 Slasher186]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4603
Bill Goldberg

William Scott Goldberg was born December 27, 1966 in Tulsa Oklahoma. His career stats are height 6’4 and weight 285 pounds. Bill Goldberg followed the path of many athletic wrestlers who made the transfer from the football field to the squared circle. He went on to become the greatest wrester ever, and to a great magnitude, better than any other wrestler. In his second year in the business, Goldberg had already become one of the biggest names in wrestling.
Even though he was not a typical wrestling fan growing up but instead focused upon football. An amazing player in high school, Goldberg starred as an All-SEC and All-American Nose Guard at the University of Georgia. When his career as a Bulldog was over, he eyed stardom in the National Football League. After spending time with the Los Angeles Rams and then winning the World Bowl with the Sacramento Surge of the World League of American Football, Goldberg signed on with the Atlanta Falcons in 1991. After three years with the team he suffered a torn abdominal muscle which put him out for the 1994 season. Goldberg was signed by the Carolina Panthers in 1995, but could not rebound from the injury sufficiently enough to play. He was thus forced to retire from football.
“Goldberg never planned on becoming a professional wrestler. He crossed paths with many World Championship Wrestling stars while living in Atlanta. Though the world of wrestling was intriguing to him, joining the ranks of professional wrestlers was not an option that Goldberg seriously considered at the time. Later, Goldberg was working out in a gym owned by Lex Luger and Sting and was convinced by Sting to take a chance in the squared circle. After months of training in the WCW Power Plant, Goldberg made his official professional debut in WCW against Hugh Morrus, pinning the 300 pound wrestler. The next year and a half would be among the most remarkable periods in professional wrestling history.” (www.billgoldberg.com)
In this very first match against Hugh Morrus was an incredible achievement for Goldberg, leaving a message to the rest of the wrestlers. This set off the longest and greatest wrestling winning streak that still stands today. 173 wins, no wrestler has ever come close to comparing to this feat.
The most memorable one from the streak was Goldberg vs. The Giant. The Giant was literally a giant. 7’0 500 pounds of this beast was a dominant force in the WCW at the time. The night that glory was made, was one to be memorable. Everyone in the stands and at home expected The Giant to do what he did best, tear through his opponent, choke-slam, and finish with a pin. Nobody expected what happened, the match started off with Goldberg over powering the 500 pound beast. After a few sensational moves, Goldberg military pressed the 500 pound man over his head, after about fifteen seconds of holding this gigantic man over his head he dropped him face first upon the mat. After scraping The Giant back up off the matt, he set him up in the Jackhammer slam, and proceeded to get the 1-2-3.
The Jackhammer slam was one of Goldberg’s finishing moves. This move consisted of picking up the opponent under your shoulder and lifting him up into a vertical position, and slamming him down on the mat into a pinning position. (See figure 1.)
The spear was the other move of Goldberg’s. The very definition of spear sounds vicious. Spear, N, A violent tackle using your head as a weapon. This move is outlawed in most sports, if done properly; your opponent should have the wind knocked out of him, and have trouble getting up. (See figure 2.)
After beating The Giant constantly, they put Goldberg up against someone who was un-defeated at the time as well, Psycho Sid Vicious. Sid was 6’9 310, going up against Goldberg for a title. This match was one sided all the way from the very beginning, Goldberg consistently beat the living daylights out of Sid. The tables turned for a slight moment when Sid had Goldberg in the Camel Clutch (See figure 3.) with Sid on his back, Goldberg stood up. The match had ended horribly, Sid got a tremendous cut on his forehead and the match was called for it.
After WCW was bought out, Goldberg found himself on WWE. His debut match was against, which some still say is the most phenomenal wrester today, the Brahma Bull, the people champ, the great one, named The Rock. As The Rock said, “Goldberg was a big fish in a little pond, but The Rock was a whale in a tear drop.” (The Rock) “After getting a concussion Monday night from five chair shots from The Rock, Goldberg still participated in his match against The Rock.” (Jonathan Coachman)
The match started out with Goldberg overpowering The Rock and tossing him out of the ring, Goldberg proceeded to dominate the entire match; up until one point, where he speared a metal post. This allowed The Rock to take a little bit of the match. With Goldberg seeming to have damaged his right shoulder badly, he still competed. After taking the rock bottom twice and the peoples elbow (See figure 4 and 5.) Goldberg got a shoulder up. The match turned tables after a devastating spear from Goldberg, after The Rock laid on the ground for a minute got back up to get yet another spear, after this spear, Goldberg set him up for the Jackhammer slam, ending the match and continuing the legacy of Goldberg.
Goldberg beat many wrestlers down the line and even held the world heavyweight champion ship three times. The line of wrestlers includes many of the greats: Hulk Hogan, Brock Lesnar, The Rock, Triple H, and even one of the best of all time, Bret the Hitman Hart. Goldberg became one the great wrestlers, “he just did so faster and to a greater magnitude than anyone else in history.” (www.billgoldberg.com)]]>
Bill Goldberg

William Scott Goldberg was born December 27, 1966 in Tulsa Oklahoma. His career stats are height 6’4 and weight 285 pounds. Bill Goldberg followed the path of many athletic wrestlers who made the transfer from the football field to the squared circle. He went on to become the greatest wrester ever, and to a great magnitude, better than any other wrestler. In his second year in the business, Goldberg had already become one of the biggest names in wrestling.
Even though he was not a typical wrestling fan growing up but instead focused upon football. An amazing player in high school, Goldberg starred as an All-SEC and All-American Nose Guard at the University of Georgia. When his career as a Bulldog was over, he eyed stardom in the National Football League. After spending time with the Los Angeles Rams and then winning the World Bowl with the Sacramento Surge of the World League of American Football, Goldberg signed on with the Atlanta Falcons in 1991. After three years with the team he suffered a torn abdominal muscle which put him out for the 1994 season. Goldberg was signed by the Carolina Panthers in 1995, but could not rebound from the injury sufficiently enough to play. He was thus forced to retire from football.
“Goldberg never planned on becoming a professional wrestler. He crossed paths with many World Championship Wrestling stars while living in Atlanta. Though the world of wrestling was intriguing to him, joining the ranks of professional wrestlers was not an option that Goldberg seriously considered at the time. Later, Goldberg was working out in a gym owned by Lex Luger and Sting and was convinced by Sting to take a chance in the squared circle. After months of training in the WCW Power Plant, Goldberg made his official professional debut in WCW against Hugh Morrus, pinning the 300 pound wrestler. The next year and a half would be among the most remarkable periods in professional wrestling history.” (www.billgoldberg.com)
In this very first match against Hugh Morrus was an incredible achievement for Goldberg, leaving a message to the rest of the wrestlers. This set off the longest and greatest wrestling winning streak that still stands today. 173 wins, no wrestler has ever come close to comparing to this feat.
The most memorable one from the streak was Goldberg vs. The Giant. The Giant was literally a giant. 7’0 500 pounds of this beast was a dominant force in the WCW at the time. The night that glory was made, was one to be memorable. Everyone in the stands and at home expected The Giant to do what he did best, tear through his opponent, choke-slam, and finish with a pin. Nobody expected what happened, the match started off with Goldberg over powering the 500 pound beast. After a few sensational moves, Goldberg military pressed the 500 pound man over his head, after about fifteen seconds of holding this gigantic man over his head he dropped him face first upon the mat. After scraping The Giant back up off the matt, he set him up in the Jackhammer slam, and proceeded to get the 1-2-3.
The Jackhammer slam was one of Goldberg’s finishing moves. This move consisted of picking up the opponent under your shoulder and lifting him up into a vertical position, and slamming him down on the mat into a pinning position. (See figure 1.)
The spear was the other move of Goldberg’s. The very definition of spear sounds vicious. Spear, N, A violent tackle using your head as a weapon. This move is outlawed in most sports, if done properly; your opponent should have the wind knocked out of him, and have trouble getting up. (See figure 2.)
After beating The Giant constantly, they put Goldberg up against someone who was un-defeated at the time as well, Psycho Sid Vicious. Sid was 6’9 310, going up against Goldberg for a title. This match was one sided all the way from the very beginning, Goldberg consistently beat the living daylights out of Sid. The tables turned for a slight moment when Sid had Goldberg in the Camel Clutch (See figure 3.) with Sid on his back, Goldberg stood up. The match had ended horribly, Sid got a tremendous cut on his forehead and the match was called for it.
After WCW was bought out, Goldberg found himself on WWE. His debut match was against, which some still say is the most phenomenal wrester today, the Brahma Bull, the people champ, the great one, named The Rock. As The Rock said, “Goldberg was a big fish in a little pond, but The Rock was a whale in a tear drop.” (The Rock) “After getting a concussion Monday night from five chair shots from The Rock, Goldberg still participated in his match against The Rock.” (Jonathan Coachman)
The match started out with Goldberg overpowering The Rock and tossing him out of the ring, Goldberg proceeded to dominate the entire match; up until one point, where he speared a metal post. This allowed The Rock to take a little bit of the match. With Goldberg seeming to have damaged his right shoulder badly, he still competed. After taking the rock bottom twice and the peoples elbow (See figure 4 and 5.) Goldberg got a shoulder up. The match turned tables after a devastating spear from Goldberg, after The Rock laid on the ground for a minute got back up to get yet another spear, after this spear, Goldberg set him up for the Jackhammer slam, ending the match and continuing the legacy of Goldberg.
Goldberg beat many wrestlers down the line and even held the world heavyweight champion ship three times. The line of wrestlers includes many of the greats: Hulk Hogan, Brock Lesnar, The Rock, Triple H, and even one of the best of all time, Bret the Hitman Hart. Goldberg became one the great wrestlers, “he just did so faster and to a greater magnitude than anyone else in history.” (www.billgoldberg.com)]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4556 Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:24:13 +0000 Dragonforce]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4556
Thanks.








In today’s society, at least in the more developed countries, we think wholeheartedly that we are givers of human rights that look out for the less fortunate, be it through domestic programs, international NGO’s, or through religious organizations. Unfortunately, if you look deep into the reasons for these actions, you will find that the sole purpose of these actions, and of all human actions in general are not altruistic, they are purely selfish acts designed to give pleasure to the person acting.

All of the acts people commit are selfish acts. Let’s take a look at some “altruistic” behavior and figure out what is the real meaning behind it.
When someone donates money to an organization that helps feed the poor, you would think that this is a person who understands the suffering of others and wishes to help out. I wish to say that the main reason this person is sending money to this organization is to give themselves a sense of power, power that wrongly makes them think that they are changing the world. They can now feel good about themselves because they have “eased the suffering” of others. Now let me explain the difference. In the first “ideal” situation, the main reason for the person sending the money is to help out the poor and understands and sympathizes with the hungry. In the second, the person sending the money’s main motive is to feel good about helping out someone.

Let’s take another example. A candidate for senate is running for a seat. He stands up and says, “Abortion is wrong. We need to protect the lives of the unborn.” To the unenlightened person, you would think that this person has a strong passion for the rights of the unborn. When you take a closer look at it, you see that the main reason someone says something like that, especially in a senate campaign, is to gain respect from voters and social acceptance among them. He hopes that people go home and talk about how compassionate and loving he is.

Now how can I say these things without actually knowing these people? How is it that you feel “compassion” and “love” at certain times when you act a certain way? We as a society have been lying to ourselves. We have been trying to mask our true feelings in order to satisfy our consciences. We have come up with these words to rationalize our true behaviors. In this world, there is no love, no compassion or friendship. These are just made up words. In principle, they are wonderful ideas, if they were ever put into practice, we might actually have a great society. But we are stuck living selfish lives, wondering what we can get for ourselves.
This sounds like a terrible way to live. How can we change things? How can we start living selfishly? Well, this is where we will pick up next week and delve into the political implications of this theory.


How can we start thinking about other people and not about ourselves? Well, in order to do this, we need major changes in our political system, mainly the judicial system. But first, we need some background to understand why I am going to proclaim certain things need to change.
Our economic system is based on the principle that the strong will survive and the weak will fall. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Reminds me of the ideas of a man named Darwin. Only the strong shall survive. The ones who are not meant to be will perish. We already use this Darwinist point of view in our economic system, our beloved free market system that other countries have emulated for years. We now need to spread this Darwinist view to our social atmosphere. The people whose actions were purely altruistic will survive and those who actions are not, will be punished. We have to help along this survival of the fittest to cultivate the actions that we want. Nature itself will not do this because of the evil already in the world. Since people are already selfish and evil, if let alone, we will not become a truly altruistic society. Look at the world right now for a clear example. How do we decide what ideas and actions we want to cultivate? We must decide what things will best benefit the majority of the community.

How do we decide what is best for the whole community? How do we decide what is better for one group over the other? Well, by minimizing the pain (“pain being the opposite of “pleasure”) for other people, we can then create the most happiness for everyone. If an action that somebody does hurts someone else (gives them pain), then that action should be purged. Now pain does not just mean physical pain. Any uncomfortable action can be deemed as pain. Now, I am not saying that if someone feels uncomfortable because they enjoy killing masses of people that we should let them. Everyone has the right to live, unless they violate someone else’s right to live freely.

Now, in order to make sure that everyone’s pain is minimized, remembering that we are selfish in nature and evil, we must enact certain laws to protect everyone from everyone else. Now we as a society must be willing to give up certain rights that we have in order to establish an altruistic pattern of behavior. We must also be willing to follow laws that appear to be inane to someone who is not ready to set their mind completely on others and leave this selfish society behind.

Types of laws we need to enact in order to further our society to one that is evolved into an altruistic society are ones that punish people whose actions are not focused on others. Obviously, murder is an action that causes pain to others. All persons involved in a murder will be put to death. Now I know that sounds harsh but if you take away the rights of another person to live, then you have given the government or body in charge the authority to punish you as such. You are giving away your right to life by taking away someone else’s. All crimes that violate a child warrant death as well. If you take advantage of a child, someone who is young and cannot stand up for themselves, then there is no way that you can learn to act altruistically. There are many other laws that we already have that should be punished more than they already are so I will not go into those. Education about how to put others before yourself needs to be enacted in every school system and for adults, if needed. Many other things need to be punished by fines that are not crimes now. I personally love the idea of free speech, but if your speech is intended to directly hurt someone and upset them, then that should be punished. We are trying to create a “utopia” for everyone and I believe that this speech or thoughts can be eradicated if we all try to understand and respect everyone.

So why is it that we need to fine and punish people for things that should be practiced in everyday life? We have to remember that we are selfish and evil by nature and therefore we can only learn by receiving “pain” to teach us what is right. By having this happen repeatedly, we can modify people’s behaviors to think about others and not themselves. I believe that we need to get to this state, and I am willingly to do whatever is necessary to bring us there. It doesn’t matter what we do to get there; the only thing that matters is that we get there.

Let’s move on to the final product – what we can get out of this. The whole point of issuing these new laws and new way of thinking is to bring about a real change in our nature itself. We can bring about true friendship as opposed to what we have now. Friendship will be known as giving everything for somebody and not expecting anything in return, inherently or not. Can you imagine a world where everybody understood everyone and acted to bring the least amount of pain for everyone? We can then truly say we are civilized.]]>
Thanks.








In today’s society, at least in the more developed countries, we think wholeheartedly that we are givers of human rights that look out for the less fortunate, be it through domestic programs, international NGO’s, or through religious organizations. Unfortunately, if you look deep into the reasons for these actions, you will find that the sole purpose of these actions, and of all human actions in general are not altruistic, they are purely selfish acts designed to give pleasure to the person acting.

All of the acts people commit are selfish acts. Let’s take a look at some “altruistic” behavior and figure out what is the real meaning behind it.
When someone donates money to an organization that helps feed the poor, you would think that this is a person who understands the suffering of others and wishes to help out. I wish to say that the main reason this person is sending money to this organization is to give themselves a sense of power, power that wrongly makes them think that they are changing the world. They can now feel good about themselves because they have “eased the suffering” of others. Now let me explain the difference. In the first “ideal” situation, the main reason for the person sending the money is to help out the poor and understands and sympathizes with the hungry. In the second, the person sending the money’s main motive is to feel good about helping out someone.

Let’s take another example. A candidate for senate is running for a seat. He stands up and says, “Abortion is wrong. We need to protect the lives of the unborn.” To the unenlightened person, you would think that this person has a strong passion for the rights of the unborn. When you take a closer look at it, you see that the main reason someone says something like that, especially in a senate campaign, is to gain respect from voters and social acceptance among them. He hopes that people go home and talk about how compassionate and loving he is.

Now how can I say these things without actually knowing these people? How is it that you feel “compassion” and “love” at certain times when you act a certain way? We as a society have been lying to ourselves. We have been trying to mask our true feelings in order to satisfy our consciences. We have come up with these words to rationalize our true behaviors. In this world, there is no love, no compassion or friendship. These are just made up words. In principle, they are wonderful ideas, if they were ever put into practice, we might actually have a great society. But we are stuck living selfish lives, wondering what we can get for ourselves.
This sounds like a terrible way to live. How can we change things? How can we start living selfishly? Well, this is where we will pick up next week and delve into the political implications of this theory.


How can we start thinking about other people and not about ourselves? Well, in order to do this, we need major changes in our political system, mainly the judicial system. But first, we need some background to understand why I am going to proclaim certain things need to change.
Our economic system is based on the principle that the strong will survive and the weak will fall. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Reminds me of the ideas of a man named Darwin. Only the strong shall survive. The ones who are not meant to be will perish. We already use this Darwinist point of view in our economic system, our beloved free market system that other countries have emulated for years. We now need to spread this Darwinist view to our social atmosphere. The people whose actions were purely altruistic will survive and those who actions are not, will be punished. We have to help along this survival of the fittest to cultivate the actions that we want. Nature itself will not do this because of the evil already in the world. Since people are already selfish and evil, if let alone, we will not become a truly altruistic society. Look at the world right now for a clear example. How do we decide what ideas and actions we want to cultivate? We must decide what things will best benefit the majority of the community.

How do we decide what is best for the whole community? How do we decide what is better for one group over the other? Well, by minimizing the pain (“pain being the opposite of “pleasure”) for other people, we can then create the most happiness for everyone. If an action that somebody does hurts someone else (gives them pain), then that action should be purged. Now pain does not just mean physical pain. Any uncomfortable action can be deemed as pain. Now, I am not saying that if someone feels uncomfortable because they enjoy killing masses of people that we should let them. Everyone has the right to live, unless they violate someone else’s right to live freely.

Now, in order to make sure that everyone’s pain is minimized, remembering that we are selfish in nature and evil, we must enact certain laws to protect everyone from everyone else. Now we as a society must be willing to give up certain rights that we have in order to establish an altruistic pattern of behavior. We must also be willing to follow laws that appear to be inane to someone who is not ready to set their mind completely on others and leave this selfish society behind.

Types of laws we need to enact in order to further our society to one that is evolved into an altruistic society are ones that punish people whose actions are not focused on others. Obviously, murder is an action that causes pain to others. All persons involved in a murder will be put to death. Now I know that sounds harsh but if you take away the rights of another person to live, then you have given the government or body in charge the authority to punish you as such. You are giving away your right to life by taking away someone else’s. All crimes that violate a child warrant death as well. If you take advantage of a child, someone who is young and cannot stand up for themselves, then there is no way that you can learn to act altruistically. There are many other laws that we already have that should be punished more than they already are so I will not go into those. Education about how to put others before yourself needs to be enacted in every school system and for adults, if needed. Many other things need to be punished by fines that are not crimes now. I personally love the idea of free speech, but if your speech is intended to directly hurt someone and upset them, then that should be punished. We are trying to create a “utopia” for everyone and I believe that this speech or thoughts can be eradicated if we all try to understand and respect everyone.

So why is it that we need to fine and punish people for things that should be practiced in everyday life? We have to remember that we are selfish and evil by nature and therefore we can only learn by receiving “pain” to teach us what is right. By having this happen repeatedly, we can modify people’s behaviors to think about others and not themselves. I believe that we need to get to this state, and I am willingly to do whatever is necessary to bring us there. It doesn’t matter what we do to get there; the only thing that matters is that we get there.

Let’s move on to the final product – what we can get out of this. The whole point of issuing these new laws and new way of thinking is to bring about a real change in our nature itself. We can bring about true friendship as opposed to what we have now. Friendship will be known as giving everything for somebody and not expecting anything in return, inherently or not. Can you imagine a world where everybody understood everyone and acted to bring the least amount of pain for everyone? We can then truly say we are civilized.]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4527 Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:30:40 +0000 Wha?]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4527 If so, how does it help?
If not, how does it hinder?
How strong should their faith be?
What kind of role should it play in their decisions and actions?]]> If so, how does it help?
If not, how does it hinder?
How strong should their faith be?
What kind of role should it play in their decisions and actions?]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4459 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:53:39 +0000 Miagi]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4459
Btw, this post spawned from Elton Johns marriage.
http://www.vadavaka.com/forums/index.php?a...st=0#entry48032

Same-sex right or wrong?

Same-sex marriage right or wrong?

Should government have a say?]]>
Btw, this post spawned from Elton Johns marriage.
http://www.vadavaka.com/forums/index.php?a...st=0#entry48032

Same-sex right or wrong?

Same-sex marriage right or wrong?

Should government have a say?]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4421 Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:41:24 +0000 GRITS]]> https://vadavaka.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4421 Washington Post
Happening in the States
White House Approves?
The New Yorker
What Really Happened website
NY Times editorial
BBC report
ABC NEWS report
Village Voice
Amnesty International
MSN pictures might be strong for some
Slate article...what is torture?
links for personal views

ok thats enough, you can always do a search, I would like to see a real debate
"to discuss a question by considering opposed arguments" so I put up a couple of different perspectives, try to be informed, while emotional responses are expected, they should contain some real data, this doesnt have to be limited to just the US, I believe most countries dont tell their citizens 'everything' and if you look at the articles it doesnt have to be just relating to Iraq vs the US, or US vs Iraq, there are accusations of US on US torture etc.]]> Washington Post
Happening in the States
White House Approves?
The New Yorker
What Really Happened website
NY Times editorial
BBC report
ABC NEWS report
Village Voice
Amnesty International
MSN pictures might be strong for some
Slate article...what is torture?
links for personal views

ok thats enough, you can always do a search, I would like to see a real debate
"to discuss a question by considering opposed arguments" so I put up a couple of different perspectives, try to be informed, while emotional responses are expected, they should contain some real data, this doesnt have to be limited to just the US, I believe most countries dont tell their citizens 'everything' and if you look at the articles it doesnt have to be just relating to Iraq vs the US, or US vs Iraq, there are accusations of US on US torture etc.]]>