05-03-2004, 06:30 PM
The reason I call agnostics foolish is because they essentially deny whatever supreme being they may think exists to his face. If you have your own personal set of beliefs and faith in another supreme being, or perhaps not even that. Perhaps its a concept you base your beliefs or faith on that's great, but it doesn't make you an agnostic. Agnosticism is based purely off of keeping an open mind(like you said), but it lacks faith. The depth of it really is basically that "maybe there is, maybe there isn't, but we'll never know until it whips us across our collective ass."
That would be a lack of faith in either possibility. Not firm beliefs but indecisions.
In addition, I never said and would never say that you or anyone I know are going to hell, and I'll say it as such because that's what I believe essentially happens. But I would say that you and many people, including myself, are at risk.
According to Christianity, God is the embodiment of love and happiness so I wouldn't doubt that you could view it all as simply a happy spiritual connection. I mean, I can't deny that there are people out their that live in near perfect peace, happiness, and truly compassionate sorrow who believe in things that seem greatly different from what I believe. The thing about Christianity though, is that it makes living a life of unconditional love so much easier to grasp and so much easier to follow if you really trust in it. It's been done on the eastern continent without the Bible or the Cross. I simply try my best to put my trust in the testimonials of those who have experienced the love and grace of the being that's known as God.
As for my extreme about atheism, my point was that if there were no supreme being to keep balance and create concepts and natural laws then it's all essentially nonexistant and meaningless. This world would simply be my creation, you're all figments of my imagination, and I could bend a spoon with my nonexistant mind. Or I could kill/rape/torture and just cause general suffering and chaos because the universe is simply my understanding and it really doesn't exist. I realize that many atheists don't think like this, but that's because they aren't atheists. They simply pick and choose. Morality doesn't really exist because there's no higher authoritative entity that made it so, but I believe and have a set of morals anyways. That's a load of doo doo butta. If atheism were a possibility then we'd all be hooked up to an energy harvesting factory dreaming about a world that doesn't really exist. :P
Sorry for calling you foolish G, but if you really do have your own set of beliefs and have faith in it then call yourself a G-ist or something. :)
Quote:So yeah, I believe there is some kind of god(s), just in the way everything is so elegant in life, there's such great balance, but I wouldn't totally write off the possibility of there being no god(s).
That would be a lack of faith in either possibility. Not firm beliefs but indecisions.
In addition, I never said and would never say that you or anyone I know are going to hell, and I'll say it as such because that's what I believe essentially happens. But I would say that you and many people, including myself, are at risk.
According to Christianity, God is the embodiment of love and happiness so I wouldn't doubt that you could view it all as simply a happy spiritual connection. I mean, I can't deny that there are people out their that live in near perfect peace, happiness, and truly compassionate sorrow who believe in things that seem greatly different from what I believe. The thing about Christianity though, is that it makes living a life of unconditional love so much easier to grasp and so much easier to follow if you really trust in it. It's been done on the eastern continent without the Bible or the Cross. I simply try my best to put my trust in the testimonials of those who have experienced the love and grace of the being that's known as God.
As for my extreme about atheism, my point was that if there were no supreme being to keep balance and create concepts and natural laws then it's all essentially nonexistant and meaningless. This world would simply be my creation, you're all figments of my imagination, and I could bend a spoon with my nonexistant mind. Or I could kill/rape/torture and just cause general suffering and chaos because the universe is simply my understanding and it really doesn't exist. I realize that many atheists don't think like this, but that's because they aren't atheists. They simply pick and choose. Morality doesn't really exist because there's no higher authoritative entity that made it so, but I believe and have a set of morals anyways. That's a load of doo doo butta. If atheism were a possibility then we'd all be hooked up to an energy harvesting factory dreaming about a world that doesn't really exist. :P
Sorry for calling you foolish G, but if you really do have your own set of beliefs and have faith in it then call yourself a G-ist or something. :)