more presidential election debates

[Quickening]

If everybody takes what their governments say at face value, stuff like 2+2=5 starts happening. Their job is not to tell you the truth, and the people who have that job would rather stay close with the big sponsors, who are close with the politicians. So, for your sake, find a media outlet that doesn't have a dependancy on sponsors from your country (or a country which has such dependancy). The only way the emperor found out he didn't actually have new clothes were the words of one who wasn't afraid to be honest.

Wha is right. The for-profit media can tell you whatever they want. Just don't buy their BS. They try to sell this war as freedom. I stay away from the CNN's and the NPR's. Non-profit places like www.pacifica.org and www.democracynow.org are much better sources of media IMO.

Trigun:
Do you think America always has to be at war? Just to "prove" to other countries that we aren't sissies? So you're saying we should go to war for fun and profit, whenever we get bored.

Recently, the number of US deaths climbed to 1,000.
The number of Iraqi civilian deaths is anywhere from 12,721 to 14,751. (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/)

Just not worth it.

This is what I don't get. When they say OMG, 1000 deaths. Yeh I'm sorry that has happened, but those people knew what they were getting into when they enrolled into the army. And please compare the other wars and 1000 deaths looks great compared to those stats.

Also makes me damn happy that CBS and Dan Rather tried to swing the vote for Kerry, when they aired that 60minutes all about Bush lying on his time on duty. And then they get busted b/c the one article they based it on was fake. I can't wait tell CBS and Dan Rather have to apologize. Also now they are looking into if there was a push from Kerry or his people to air that on CBS. I always knew CBS sucked.