06-14-2003, 04:46 AM
I didn't wanna get into this much, but I've got something to say.
Some people have an inherent urge to go against authority. Now, acid, your argument is as if this is the first time you were banned. I understand why this would suck if it was something new. If I did the same thing, I'd just get a gag or a kick or something. The difference is, afterwards, I would shut up. You know how teachers are in high school, every one of them is different. Yet they all get basically the same training, and have the same rules to abide by and enforce. Yet some teachers allow music, phones, and food in a classroom... others allow nothing but maybe a bottle of water, otherwise only school stuff is allowed. Some will give you free time, or not really care if you share work with people, or just let you talk while they do their own thing. Others will yell at you for just whispering to your neighbor asking for paper. I've noticed that certain people will go into each class with the exact same attitude. They act the same, they don't change at all, and the result is they get punished by the less lenient teachers, get worse grades, and are unhappy.
When I get strict teachers, I just shut up. I realize I can talk in other classes, or at lunch, or at home. At a certain point, you have to conform to those teachers. Some people have different personalities, and will all have different breaking points. We are all human, as you said, and you've talked a few too many times in Gwarsbane's classroom. Many other admins wouldn't have banned you. If I was admin, I wouldn't have. But you know what? Gwar has punished you before, and when he's around, you gotta just chill. You just would not learn to do that, and it's sad, because we lose a good player who is just stubborn. Don't mistake it for being righteous, people see you as noble for going against admin abuse. You just have a stubborn personality. And look what happened. The reason you got permabanned and not something else? Because you were already skating on thin ice. As I said before, if it was me calling him a jackass, I would have gotten a kick. But the fact that you have done stuff to get yourself tempbanned before, especially while Gwar is around, and that you have said you will be good to GRITS, yet come back and not be good, that sorta piled up to this result.
So, if a word is not filtered, you can say it to anyone, particularly an admin? Good logic. You know that jackass is used as an insult. It has nothing to do with cussing. Call him a loser, an idiot, whatever... those words aren't filtered. So it's ok? Dude, acid, man, I know you're not stupid. You have a brain, you can figure out what you can and can't say without the guidelines of a filter. Don't use that argument, you just are trying to make a point and seem like you're right, when really it's a flawed argument. Cussing was NOT the rule you broke.
Why is it that you MUST cuss in one of GRITS' servers? You damn well know she doesn't like it. You damn well know her admins enforce it. You damn well know there are plenty of things you can say without getting punished. How many times do you think I have been banned? How about RWS? I have never been banned... got slapped once (got pissed, but got over it), gagged once for a few mins, and kicked once. Never banned. I don't know about RWS, but I've never seen him get banned. Would you say we're both good players? Sure. Would you say we have fun? Hell yeah. Do he and I jaw at eachother when playing? ALL THE TIME. Do we get punished? Of course not, because we do it within the server's guidelines, as well as the administrators' tolerances. I don't go at it with admins, unless I KNOW that we are both doing it in jest (for example, with smileys and stuff after saying things). I don't maliciously attack anyone, with or without cussing. GRITS once said it's almost an art of words to intimidate people, to go at it without breaking rules or coming off as a malicious ######. Be creative and do it within the limits.
It may be the internet... but it is the real world nonetheless. In the real world, you have to deal with authority. Maybe you think you have a personality that can't deal with this stuff, but that's not particularly normal. Do you watch sports? Follow it? They have people called referees. Ever see football referees throw the yellow flag for a player jawing at them? Tim Brown had it happen to him last year, and he's a future hall-of-famer. The referees are like admins on a server. You attack them, you annoy them, you will get punished, it is part of the job. Basketball referees called technical fouls. Rasheed Wallace has gotten technicals and been thrown out of many games. He is one of the best power forwards in the NBA... does not matter. Despite your skill or reputation, you will get dealt with. How many penalties for bad sportsmanship did you think Wayne Gretzky got? Probably zero... considered one of the nicest sports players ever. As well as the best sports player ever. Michael Jordan... did he get in trouble that much? Guess he's had his share, but it's not a part of his reputation. Greatest basketball player ever.
Obviously using pro sports is an extreme in comparing to a mediocre mod (as beastie puts it), but the same principles apply. The admins don't give a shit if you are an awesome player. Mess with them, you get messed with. Tough. I'm sorry you got banned, but don't blame it on Gwars and definitely do not blame it on GRITS. I'll support you 100% in getting unbanned, coming back to the Holdout's servers. You're a great player and a ricochet friend. But I will not support you in some crusade against the admins.
Some people have an inherent urge to go against authority. Now, acid, your argument is as if this is the first time you were banned. I understand why this would suck if it was something new. If I did the same thing, I'd just get a gag or a kick or something. The difference is, afterwards, I would shut up. You know how teachers are in high school, every one of them is different. Yet they all get basically the same training, and have the same rules to abide by and enforce. Yet some teachers allow music, phones, and food in a classroom... others allow nothing but maybe a bottle of water, otherwise only school stuff is allowed. Some will give you free time, or not really care if you share work with people, or just let you talk while they do their own thing. Others will yell at you for just whispering to your neighbor asking for paper. I've noticed that certain people will go into each class with the exact same attitude. They act the same, they don't change at all, and the result is they get punished by the less lenient teachers, get worse grades, and are unhappy.
When I get strict teachers, I just shut up. I realize I can talk in other classes, or at lunch, or at home. At a certain point, you have to conform to those teachers. Some people have different personalities, and will all have different breaking points. We are all human, as you said, and you've talked a few too many times in Gwarsbane's classroom. Many other admins wouldn't have banned you. If I was admin, I wouldn't have. But you know what? Gwar has punished you before, and when he's around, you gotta just chill. You just would not learn to do that, and it's sad, because we lose a good player who is just stubborn. Don't mistake it for being righteous, people see you as noble for going against admin abuse. You just have a stubborn personality. And look what happened. The reason you got permabanned and not something else? Because you were already skating on thin ice. As I said before, if it was me calling him a jackass, I would have gotten a kick. But the fact that you have done stuff to get yourself tempbanned before, especially while Gwar is around, and that you have said you will be good to GRITS, yet come back and not be good, that sorta piled up to this result.
So, if a word is not filtered, you can say it to anyone, particularly an admin? Good logic. You know that jackass is used as an insult. It has nothing to do with cussing. Call him a loser, an idiot, whatever... those words aren't filtered. So it's ok? Dude, acid, man, I know you're not stupid. You have a brain, you can figure out what you can and can't say without the guidelines of a filter. Don't use that argument, you just are trying to make a point and seem like you're right, when really it's a flawed argument. Cussing was NOT the rule you broke.
Why is it that you MUST cuss in one of GRITS' servers? You damn well know she doesn't like it. You damn well know her admins enforce it. You damn well know there are plenty of things you can say without getting punished. How many times do you think I have been banned? How about RWS? I have never been banned... got slapped once (got pissed, but got over it), gagged once for a few mins, and kicked once. Never banned. I don't know about RWS, but I've never seen him get banned. Would you say we're both good players? Sure. Would you say we have fun? Hell yeah. Do he and I jaw at eachother when playing? ALL THE TIME. Do we get punished? Of course not, because we do it within the server's guidelines, as well as the administrators' tolerances. I don't go at it with admins, unless I KNOW that we are both doing it in jest (for example, with smileys and stuff after saying things). I don't maliciously attack anyone, with or without cussing. GRITS once said it's almost an art of words to intimidate people, to go at it without breaking rules or coming off as a malicious ######. Be creative and do it within the limits.
It may be the internet... but it is the real world nonetheless. In the real world, you have to deal with authority. Maybe you think you have a personality that can't deal with this stuff, but that's not particularly normal. Do you watch sports? Follow it? They have people called referees. Ever see football referees throw the yellow flag for a player jawing at them? Tim Brown had it happen to him last year, and he's a future hall-of-famer. The referees are like admins on a server. You attack them, you annoy them, you will get punished, it is part of the job. Basketball referees called technical fouls. Rasheed Wallace has gotten technicals and been thrown out of many games. He is one of the best power forwards in the NBA... does not matter. Despite your skill or reputation, you will get dealt with. How many penalties for bad sportsmanship did you think Wayne Gretzky got? Probably zero... considered one of the nicest sports players ever. As well as the best sports player ever. Michael Jordan... did he get in trouble that much? Guess he's had his share, but it's not a part of his reputation. Greatest basketball player ever.
Obviously using pro sports is an extreme in comparing to a mediocre mod (as beastie puts it), but the same principles apply. The admins don't give a shit if you are an awesome player. Mess with them, you get messed with. Tough. I'm sorry you got banned, but don't blame it on Gwars and definitely do not blame it on GRITS. I'll support you 100% in getting unbanned, coming back to the Holdout's servers. You're a great player and a ricochet friend. But I will not support you in some crusade against the admins.