06-14-2003, 10:00 PM
It seems the cause->effect relation has been forgotten here. Of course your reputation changes how admins will treat you. A reputation indicates precedent. In fact, a reputation means you have one hell of a lot of infractions to your name. No one here claims to be righteous, and the people who do so happen to be colourblind to right and wrong. There is no grey area too hide behind anymore. What happened happened a thousand times before tolerance wore through, and maybe that was too far back to remember.
As for sinbon, at least when he came back, was hands down one of the biggest ######s I've ever seen. He was insulting and swearing at people--without any indication of not being serious--and saying that people had lost their sense of humour when nobody laughed. He was under an alias, and I've never seen him before, so I was honestly surprised when he changed his name and stormed off to sulk about everyone being humourless. Mew I have seen maybe once, and only for a couple minutes. I did, however, read the post about himn being banned for habitual abuse of the reconnection bug. Neither "didn't put up with [admin] shit", they were both lame, even by CS standards.
Some people, besides hating any form of authority for the sole purpose of feeling powerful and heroic, just like pissing others off. They get kicks by making other people mad, and watching them freak out. I almost flipped and killed a CSer in the school cafeteria for bragging to his punkposer friends about cheating, but if I were in that game and denounced him, he would be pissing his pants laughing at my feeble attempts to stop him. Besides being too stupid to realize people have a problem with it, this guy was completely unaware that it's completely selfish to get kicks out of ruining the game for others, and that's why admins and mod developers don't like people exploiting bugs, cheating, or playing disruptively. Not because "it's just a game", and nobody's supposed to care when you're a callous jackass disrupting the games enjoyability for others. True things shouldn't be taken as seriously in a game, but taking things seriously also includes swearing at people, and especially trying to anger them.
Another point is that this community is about a hundred thousand (or so) levels deeper than that of CS, and about ten thousand levels deeper than that of DoD. So far, most of the regulars seem to be intelligent people with a fair amount of depth to their character. Sure that could be because most of them are old enough to already have a family established, but me personally, I think it's because the immature idiots rate games by their similarity to CS, and won't play anything without guns (hence bullet-lovers) and at least one awp equivalent (like the railgun in the quake series). Things like verbal abuse only get tollerated in some crowds. This is not one, and don't generalize by calling the internet a homogenous entity full of harsh things. Same goes for games, ricochet is by far the least CS like FPS I've ever played, and it pisses CSers off. That proves communities aren't always compatible, let alone identical.
Everyday I see people complaining to authority figures about things they did when they got caught. Especially traffic tickets. "So what if I endangered the lives of children in a school zone, what are the odds I would kill a kid by saving 6.4 seconds on the way to work?" they might as well be saying. It never occurs to them that speeding makes their car more likely to kill someone/damage property. Ticketing them is just the officer being an ###### for enforcing rules that are too strict. Not that the rules are strict at all, they just seem that way when you operate at a level that pushes and bends the thin blue line.
Also: don't ever think for a single second that it is manditory for you to play on ANY server, and that getting banned from the most popular servers (ironically popular because of the rules that were violated for the ban) makes it an infringement of personal rights and freedoms, making it wrong. From what I hear, all three of the HOLOUTS servers are rented out to GRITS by HOLDOUTS, granting her onwership over them as long as she pays. That makes it private property, and connecting is a priviledge granted soley by her. She chose the admins to carry out her will her way. Red Hen sitiuation here; did you bring the wheat to the mill? Did you bring the flour back and make the dough? Did you knead the dough to make the loaf? Did you put the loaf in the oven and bake it? No. So I think it was awful nice to have those servers put up, and have volunteered hands maintain order and peace. I hope this ordeal doesn't cast a shadow over all the good things that go on, because a third server was added, and I don't ever want to have that be regretted.
I respect the admins greatly, especially after DMing for 2-3 years. It takes a lot to not get angry when people badger you, and even more to not let it affect your playing. So far I haven't seen a case of ill choosing in an admin, or abuse of power by an admin. I don't really feel they need to justify their actions, and that doing so deserves grattitude. If no such clause exists already, one should be written to give admins the final say in all decisions within their jurasdiction. I also hear that almost every action against a player is given to GRITS for her approval/disapproval. That may just be a rumor though.
As for sinbon, at least when he came back, was hands down one of the biggest ######s I've ever seen. He was insulting and swearing at people--without any indication of not being serious--and saying that people had lost their sense of humour when nobody laughed. He was under an alias, and I've never seen him before, so I was honestly surprised when he changed his name and stormed off to sulk about everyone being humourless. Mew I have seen maybe once, and only for a couple minutes. I did, however, read the post about himn being banned for habitual abuse of the reconnection bug. Neither "didn't put up with [admin] shit", they were both lame, even by CS standards.
Some people, besides hating any form of authority for the sole purpose of feeling powerful and heroic, just like pissing others off. They get kicks by making other people mad, and watching them freak out. I almost flipped and killed a CSer in the school cafeteria for bragging to his punkposer friends about cheating, but if I were in that game and denounced him, he would be pissing his pants laughing at my feeble attempts to stop him. Besides being too stupid to realize people have a problem with it, this guy was completely unaware that it's completely selfish to get kicks out of ruining the game for others, and that's why admins and mod developers don't like people exploiting bugs, cheating, or playing disruptively. Not because "it's just a game", and nobody's supposed to care when you're a callous jackass disrupting the games enjoyability for others. True things shouldn't be taken as seriously in a game, but taking things seriously also includes swearing at people, and especially trying to anger them.
Another point is that this community is about a hundred thousand (or so) levels deeper than that of CS, and about ten thousand levels deeper than that of DoD. So far, most of the regulars seem to be intelligent people with a fair amount of depth to their character. Sure that could be because most of them are old enough to already have a family established, but me personally, I think it's because the immature idiots rate games by their similarity to CS, and won't play anything without guns (hence bullet-lovers) and at least one awp equivalent (like the railgun in the quake series). Things like verbal abuse only get tollerated in some crowds. This is not one, and don't generalize by calling the internet a homogenous entity full of harsh things. Same goes for games, ricochet is by far the least CS like FPS I've ever played, and it pisses CSers off. That proves communities aren't always compatible, let alone identical.
Everyday I see people complaining to authority figures about things they did when they got caught. Especially traffic tickets. "So what if I endangered the lives of children in a school zone, what are the odds I would kill a kid by saving 6.4 seconds on the way to work?" they might as well be saying. It never occurs to them that speeding makes their car more likely to kill someone/damage property. Ticketing them is just the officer being an ###### for enforcing rules that are too strict. Not that the rules are strict at all, they just seem that way when you operate at a level that pushes and bends the thin blue line.
Also: don't ever think for a single second that it is manditory for you to play on ANY server, and that getting banned from the most popular servers (ironically popular because of the rules that were violated for the ban) makes it an infringement of personal rights and freedoms, making it wrong. From what I hear, all three of the HOLOUTS servers are rented out to GRITS by HOLDOUTS, granting her onwership over them as long as she pays. That makes it private property, and connecting is a priviledge granted soley by her. She chose the admins to carry out her will her way. Red Hen sitiuation here; did you bring the wheat to the mill? Did you bring the flour back and make the dough? Did you knead the dough to make the loaf? Did you put the loaf in the oven and bake it? No. So I think it was awful nice to have those servers put up, and have volunteered hands maintain order and peace. I hope this ordeal doesn't cast a shadow over all the good things that go on, because a third server was added, and I don't ever want to have that be regretted.
I respect the admins greatly, especially after DMing for 2-3 years. It takes a lot to not get angry when people badger you, and even more to not let it affect your playing. So far I haven't seen a case of ill choosing in an admin, or abuse of power by an admin. I don't really feel they need to justify their actions, and that doing so deserves grattitude. If no such clause exists already, one should be written to give admins the final say in all decisions within their jurasdiction. I also hear that almost every action against a player is given to GRITS for her approval/disapproval. That may just be a rumor though.