02-24-2004, 08:34 PM
TIME HAS COME...
to modify a few things on the CS server.
While most of us are having a great time doing what we do, we do need to address some issues and reform our policies.
Why is this? Because right now we have no boundaries, no rules. Admins are each enforcing their own version of what 'should be' on the server. Some get kicked or harassed for sniping while others do so for hours. Some players whine all night and day, and even admins are complaining out loud now and again!
We can certainly maintain friendly play and still all like eachother, but we need to come to some common understanding. We need to decide on some key rules right now, and abide by them to the end. Admins need to be precise and consistent in how they handle the various problems we face in day to day play. And we ALL need to whine just a little bit less. I will take first accountability.
Please read the following 3 propositions, and reply with a short post telling us which one you prefer. We don't need a long, drawn out list of pros and cons, we alreasy see them each and every day. After 5 to 7 days, we will take the numbers and adjust some server specs. We DO want YOUR opinion.
Proposition 1.
Straight CS, All Weapons, No Whining!
Here we will allow all of CS's presently offered weapons and items. No one will be slapped, kicked, banned, harrassed, or coersed into ceasing their actions by any player on the server; this includes admins! Here we will all simply adhere to the fact that CS is a game, and it is best played as the creators/maintainers have intended. Camping, sniping, flashing, smoking.... all is allowed, all is endorsed, all is just fine and dandy, EXCEPT for whining.
Under Proposition 1, admin roles will be to punish only afk's and whining. Closely unanomous map changes and removing blatent shameless cheaters is also okay.
Proposition 2.
Permanant restrictions on guns/behavior and no whining.
This is one that will have to be debated further if we choose to adopt it. As an example I will simply refer to what many servers have done: No Awp.
We can choose to remove Awp and Auto Snipe if we want, we can choose to lose the shield, we can lose all task-team-spawn-camping, etc.
I am not at this point offering suggestions on what to remove, I am simply offering the idea. WHat gets removed would be decided after and only after this proposition has been voted in.
Admin jobs here would be identical to that in proposition 1, in that only whiners, cheaters, and afk's would be punished. Map changes again are ok with good support. Admin jobs in this scenario would be one notch easier, as controversial weapons would simply be unavailable.
Proposition 3.
Admins Govern All, and no whining.
Here we would essentially go with what we have been doing. We let the admins decide when weapons should be restricted, and when people need to go. Here if an admin doesnt like your camping, he can ask you (politely) to stop. And if you don't, you will be camping on another server. In proposition 3, all admins will have the final say, and GRITS will back them in most, if not all situations.
This has worked on the RC servers for well over a year. The jobs of the admins are to maintain the general happiness of the group. If that means YOU need to go, then you will have to deal with it Without Whining! Tasks mentioned in the previous 2 propositions are expected, but sometimes an admin may have to enforce an unwritten rule. It may not be democratic, but in the end it will be validated because those in violation are simply being a nuisance.
You will notice that in each proposition description header, I have a common element: no whining. Many people leave CS after many happy months or even years because the shear amount of whining in the game becomes unbearable. Let me make it clear with my own personal thoughts... I dont care if he's camping, I don't want to know who is cheating, I never want to hear your assesment of somone's sexual preference, and while I don't much care for awpers, I REEAALLY don't care to hear you complain about it. Why don't I just mute everyone? Sometimes I debate it. Have I ever griped either in frustration or at another player? Of course I have, but will do my best no to do so again. Hold me accountable if you catch me being a hypocrite.
This whole thing is to prevent whining, not only in game but also in the forums, and on IRC (ok, so I wouldn't know about that one. But I can only imagine).
Also in emails, on msn, and everywhere else whining goes on. Right now, the ones running the servers know and accept that whining exists because the rules are undefined. Some can do certain things while others get punished for it. I am hoping that this little experiment will offer some idea of what rules you all want in place, and thus bring the complaints from an open forum to a dull roar.
To sum up, please re-read the choices, make a short selection, write it in, and don't complain.
Thank You,
Beastie
***All has been approved and endorsed by GRITS***
to modify a few things on the CS server.
While most of us are having a great time doing what we do, we do need to address some issues and reform our policies.
Why is this? Because right now we have no boundaries, no rules. Admins are each enforcing their own version of what 'should be' on the server. Some get kicked or harassed for sniping while others do so for hours. Some players whine all night and day, and even admins are complaining out loud now and again!
We can certainly maintain friendly play and still all like eachother, but we need to come to some common understanding. We need to decide on some key rules right now, and abide by them to the end. Admins need to be precise and consistent in how they handle the various problems we face in day to day play. And we ALL need to whine just a little bit less. I will take first accountability.
Please read the following 3 propositions, and reply with a short post telling us which one you prefer. We don't need a long, drawn out list of pros and cons, we alreasy see them each and every day. After 5 to 7 days, we will take the numbers and adjust some server specs. We DO want YOUR opinion.
Proposition 1.
Straight CS, All Weapons, No Whining!
Here we will allow all of CS's presently offered weapons and items. No one will be slapped, kicked, banned, harrassed, or coersed into ceasing their actions by any player on the server; this includes admins! Here we will all simply adhere to the fact that CS is a game, and it is best played as the creators/maintainers have intended. Camping, sniping, flashing, smoking.... all is allowed, all is endorsed, all is just fine and dandy, EXCEPT for whining.
Under Proposition 1, admin roles will be to punish only afk's and whining. Closely unanomous map changes and removing blatent shameless cheaters is also okay.
Proposition 2.
Permanant restrictions on guns/behavior and no whining.
This is one that will have to be debated further if we choose to adopt it. As an example I will simply refer to what many servers have done: No Awp.
We can choose to remove Awp and Auto Snipe if we want, we can choose to lose the shield, we can lose all task-team-spawn-camping, etc.
I am not at this point offering suggestions on what to remove, I am simply offering the idea. WHat gets removed would be decided after and only after this proposition has been voted in.
Admin jobs here would be identical to that in proposition 1, in that only whiners, cheaters, and afk's would be punished. Map changes again are ok with good support. Admin jobs in this scenario would be one notch easier, as controversial weapons would simply be unavailable.
Proposition 3.
Admins Govern All, and no whining.
Here we would essentially go with what we have been doing. We let the admins decide when weapons should be restricted, and when people need to go. Here if an admin doesnt like your camping, he can ask you (politely) to stop. And if you don't, you will be camping on another server. In proposition 3, all admins will have the final say, and GRITS will back them in most, if not all situations.
This has worked on the RC servers for well over a year. The jobs of the admins are to maintain the general happiness of the group. If that means YOU need to go, then you will have to deal with it Without Whining! Tasks mentioned in the previous 2 propositions are expected, but sometimes an admin may have to enforce an unwritten rule. It may not be democratic, but in the end it will be validated because those in violation are simply being a nuisance.
You will notice that in each proposition description header, I have a common element: no whining. Many people leave CS after many happy months or even years because the shear amount of whining in the game becomes unbearable. Let me make it clear with my own personal thoughts... I dont care if he's camping, I don't want to know who is cheating, I never want to hear your assesment of somone's sexual preference, and while I don't much care for awpers, I REEAALLY don't care to hear you complain about it. Why don't I just mute everyone? Sometimes I debate it. Have I ever griped either in frustration or at another player? Of course I have, but will do my best no to do so again. Hold me accountable if you catch me being a hypocrite.
This whole thing is to prevent whining, not only in game but also in the forums, and on IRC (ok, so I wouldn't know about that one. But I can only imagine).
Also in emails, on msn, and everywhere else whining goes on. Right now, the ones running the servers know and accept that whining exists because the rules are undefined. Some can do certain things while others get punished for it. I am hoping that this little experiment will offer some idea of what rules you all want in place, and thus bring the complaints from an open forum to a dull roar.
To sum up, please re-read the choices, make a short selection, write it in, and don't complain.
Thank You,
Beastie
***All has been approved and endorsed by GRITS***
