01-22-2004, 11:24 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-22-2004, 11:26 PM by RuNnInG_wIth_ScISsOrS.)
You are truly a fool if you believe that the government wasn't doing these things long before the Patriot act. There is always some political/federal loophole out there that will keep a guilty person on the streets. Take the neutrality acts, this doesn't keep anyone from performing assasinations, but what it does do is limit the government to the most EXTREME circumstances. They're not going to take the chance to do such a thing on a whim if they can get called on it. Unfortunately, sometimes a problem needs to just go away, even if the best solution isn't the morally right one.
However, detaining an individual indefinitely for only the suspicion of being a terrorist is ridiculous. I don't care if they monitor me in my home while I'm performing acts that no sane person would like to see, but a permenant detainment merely on a suspicion? This strangely reminds me of 1984. Pix, while all the amazing Republicans of the world claim that the liberals aren't fighting for their freedom by not supporting the war in Iraq. They still love to criticize the liberals for not supporting the patriot act, for fighting this abomination. I personally do not want to live in a Castro Cuban regime where I can be detained for "planning a terrorist attack/planning an assasination attempt/etc etc." Just ask Chanes de Amas(sp?) how he felt about sitting in jail for 30 god damn years. All because he was "suspected" of multiple assasination attempts.
I thought in this country of ours we were innocent until proven guilty. Patriotism didn't use to mean putting a flag on your car and calling the president and his administration infallible. If things were so, communists would be ruling the world and Reaganomics would actually work. Your scenario about someone buying $300 dollars worth of groceries with food stamps. Unless everyone else in the line was doing the same, you're just looking at a stereotypical extreme, and EVERYONE has one of those. In case you haven't noticed inflation is rising faster than current wages. I'm sorry that you've been successful in life Pix, obviously that means helping someone out every once in a while is below you. How about instead of asking that guy on the corner to come rake your leaves, you give him the phone number to a local liquor store hiring manual labor. I wouldn't come rake your leaves either, that is simply degrading and stupid. While you sit on your lawn chair and tell me you'll give me five dollars for doing an excellent job, I'll realize I just wasted an hour of my time raking your leaves with no long term benefits. Do you think those people out in the middle of the freeway selling oranges want to be out there, and are living off luxurious welfare? While you live in Whitesville, Suburbia and claim that all the poor of the world are merely theiving, blood-sucking leeches, I'll be watching Wal-mart put everyone out of business. The poor obviously love being just that, poor. On the immigration issue, equal work equals equal pay, get over your elitest selves.
However, detaining an individual indefinitely for only the suspicion of being a terrorist is ridiculous. I don't care if they monitor me in my home while I'm performing acts that no sane person would like to see, but a permenant detainment merely on a suspicion? This strangely reminds me of 1984. Pix, while all the amazing Republicans of the world claim that the liberals aren't fighting for their freedom by not supporting the war in Iraq. They still love to criticize the liberals for not supporting the patriot act, for fighting this abomination. I personally do not want to live in a Castro Cuban regime where I can be detained for "planning a terrorist attack/planning an assasination attempt/etc etc." Just ask Chanes de Amas(sp?) how he felt about sitting in jail for 30 god damn years. All because he was "suspected" of multiple assasination attempts.
I thought in this country of ours we were innocent until proven guilty. Patriotism didn't use to mean putting a flag on your car and calling the president and his administration infallible. If things were so, communists would be ruling the world and Reaganomics would actually work. Your scenario about someone buying $300 dollars worth of groceries with food stamps. Unless everyone else in the line was doing the same, you're just looking at a stereotypical extreme, and EVERYONE has one of those. In case you haven't noticed inflation is rising faster than current wages. I'm sorry that you've been successful in life Pix, obviously that means helping someone out every once in a while is below you. How about instead of asking that guy on the corner to come rake your leaves, you give him the phone number to a local liquor store hiring manual labor. I wouldn't come rake your leaves either, that is simply degrading and stupid. While you sit on your lawn chair and tell me you'll give me five dollars for doing an excellent job, I'll realize I just wasted an hour of my time raking your leaves with no long term benefits. Do you think those people out in the middle of the freeway selling oranges want to be out there, and are living off luxurious welfare? While you live in Whitesville, Suburbia and claim that all the poor of the world are merely theiving, blood-sucking leeches, I'll be watching Wal-mart put everyone out of business. The poor obviously love being just that, poor. On the immigration issue, equal work equals equal pay, get over your elitest selves.